International I Hate Sports Club

So he won't be coming back? The way he criticized Fat Man, me, and Fitz is flaming us.

I concur with Skul. SportsGuy92's criticisms were reasonable, not abusive. Fat Man, instead of specifically acknowledging his apology to you, you continued to be confrontational by saying "it's up to us to break him of his know-it-all attitude and show him where the proverbial bear shits in the proverbial buckwheat." Sergey, you called him "shit for brains," "dumb asses like you," "you idiot," and "you dumb fuck." What names did he call you? Believe me, I don't get any pleasure pointing this out.

Earl wrote:I concur with Skul. SportsGuy92's criticisms were reasonable, not abusive. Fat Man, instead of specifically acknowledging his apology to you, you continued to be confrontational by saying "it's up to us to break him of his know-it-all attitude and show him where the proverbial bear shits in the proverbial buckwheat." Sergey, you called him "shit for brains," "dumb asses like you," "you idiot," and "you dumb fuck." What names did he call you? Believe me, I don't get any pleasure pointing this out.

Well he said I was crazy for thinking a virtual game should reward more money than a primitive game. If he gets so mad at me for that I am sure what I said is viable.

If any of you think I am taking too long to respond, I'm sorry. Just remember that a computer is not available to me whenever I want.

Millhouse wrote:
Anti-sports people? No, sir. People with the degree of hatred for it that you find on this site.

As for human nature dictating that if one medium were to lose its popularity and be taken over by another, and overzealous individuals making the new popular medium miserable for everyone else, that's kind of beside the point I was making, and I already know all this.

I do not share the opinion some of the others have stated in that I see a use for sports. Much in the same way I see a use for a paperweight or doorstop, it keeps the more animalistic elements of the gene pool in line in that it gives them something to do. An 'outlet', if you will, to both appreciate and engage in observing and participating in various forms of physically aggressive behaviour.

And they can do that all they like. To each their own. Here is my problem with it.

Problem with it is harrassment and discrimination if I myself don't enjoy it, don't have any use for it, and don't wish to participate in it. Because I am human, it is assumed that I must also partake in the 'fun', whether it be some company baseball team, fantasy football league, or some other such nonsense, such as going to a sporting event. Harassment at this level is irritating enough, but many, many sports fans actually get offended at saying a resounding and most of the time polite 'no' to these activities.

Then in many cases, the ostracizing begins.

There is no good, reasonable excuse for this behaviour. There never was, and there never will be. I will state this again, plainly and clearly, because you ignored it in my first post. People who treat it like a religion are the ones I go after. And frankly, I think they deserve it for ramming it down my throat.

As for jocks bullying others, sporting activities in high school starts the heirarchy, and as a former nerd and someone who could get along with but not be a goth kid, I can tell you that your statement about their area of expertise being 'respected' is completely inaccurate. Goth kids and company generally didn't respect jocks. The difference is the jocks did the bullying. It has nothing to do with respect.

If you had read my other posts, you would be able to see that while I enjoy sports, I am far from someone who treats it like a religion. I am not trying to ram my views down anybody's throat. I am neither trying to nor will be able to convert anyone on here into a sports fan. I am just trying to understand why some people view them so negatively. By "respect" referring to the following that high school sports and their players have, I meant the attention they receive from the general public (fan attendance, media coverage, etc.) This is where jock arrogance, in my opinion, usually stems from although you may have different theories or opinions.

Millhouse wrote:
Other issue is that I side even with the people that carry the more extreme views on here, because they understand how I feel. And although I do not agree with their viewpoints on banning sports altogether, I respect their opinions and I feel a lot of empathy for them because I (unlike you) actually understand the things that brought them to where they are.

Sure, their views may be extreme to you, but are you bothering to ask why they are? How these people got this way? As a person that at minimum feigns intelligence on these forums (you may be genuinely intelligent), maybe you should take a step back from your defensive attitude, which you had the moment you made your first post, and ask yourself in a positive manner, why these people you are attacking from the get go are the way they are.

I'm not asking you to be a pacifist here. I'm just suggesting you could be a little more fair than you're being.

As a pro-sports person, I'm never going to be fully able to understand the anti-sports view, just as you will never understand why people would spend money to sit and watch a game in a stadium. That doesn't mean I am incapable of understanding why you fell that way, even though I will never be able to fully empathize with your point of view.

Fat Man wrote:
No, I would not call all blacks rapists just simply because some black guy rapes somebody, because white guys also commit rape.

The difference is, when a mere mortal, black or white commits rape, if found guilty in a court of law, they go to prison.

But when some drooling slack-jawed knuckle-dragging moron commits rape, if he happens to be a professional football player, black or white, he usually goes unpunished, or only gets a slap on the wrist, but most of the time, not even that, he gets a pat on the back from his coach, a brand new car for FREE, and a millions dollar raise on his yearly contract.

What you mention here is not strictly an issue with pro athletes, it is an issue with celebrities in general. Any kind of celebrity, no matter what they are famous for, will always get breaks because of their power and wealth that everyday people can't get.

Sergey wrote: Well he said I was crazy for thinking a virtual game should reward more money than a primitive game. If he gets so mad at me for that I am sure what I said is viable.

If more people determine that a so called "primitive game" should reward more money than a virtual game, as they currently do, then what you think is crazy. You are far too ignorant about sports to write them off as being primitive games. Every sport requires strategy as much as any video or board game.

Sergey, he never said you were crazy.

Come on, people. Let's treat others as individuals instead of as members of a group. This is a nice guy, but you're treating him as The Enemy. I'm getting sick and tired of it.

SportsGuy92 wrote:

Sergey wrote: Well he said I was crazy for thinking a virtual game should reward more money than a primitive game. If he gets so mad at me for that I am sure what I said is viable.

If more people determine that a so called "primitive game" should reward more money than a virtual game, as they currently do, then what you think is crazy. You are far too ignorant about sports to write them off as being primitive games. Every sport requires strategy as much as any video or board game.

Oh really now? Brute force isn't in board games or video games, I'll be playing WoW now, and DoW 2 maybe. Athletes deserve less money than gamers playing in tournaments, why? Because sports are simple and you don't have to pay that much to get all the tools, but you need to pay an extraordinary amount of money to make the pixels playable, sorry you hate my opinion so much.

Earl wrote:Sergey, he never said you were crazy.

Come on, people. Let's treat others as individuals instead of as members of a group. This is a nice guy, but you're treating him as The Enemy. I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Not crazy but I was wrong for thinking games that have lots of money used to make said game playable should get more money than cheap pig skin getting thrown around.

Earl wrote:Sergey, he never said you were crazy.

Come on, people. Let's treat others as individuals instead of as members of a group. This is a nice guy, but you're treating him as The Enemy. I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Well, I did say that I agreed with most of what he said, NOT EVERYTHING, but most.

I even said that for someone in sports, that he does sound intelligent enough, certainly more intelligent than most sports fans and athletes I have ever known.

And I do acknowledge that he is more polite, certainly more polite than I'll ever be.

But then, as you all know . . . I'm a big fat bitch!!!

OK, first of all . . . . .

SportsGuy92 wrote:If any of you think I am taking too long to respond, I'm sorry. Just remember that a computer is not available to me whenever I want.

Ah! But didn't you say that you once had a good paying job in sports? You can easily afford to buy your own computer.

Me, I'm just a poor schmuck, but I was able to get myself a computer. Of course, what I did was to buy the case, the motherboard, the CPU, some RAM, a video card and sound card, a DSL modem, and everything else, and assembled it myself. It's much cheaper to build your own computer and gradually upgrade it than to buy one complete.

OK, here is the first thing SportsGuy92 said that grated on my nerves.

SportsGuy92 wrote:. . . . . but when you love your sport you should be grateful for being able to have a job that many dream of but few attain.

Well, when I was in school, I wanted to study science, and eventually go on to college to get a degree in Physics and Astronomy, and to move about in the more intellectual circles, associating with people like Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Stephen Hawkins, etc. etc.

Yes I did have three years at NMSU, New Mexico State University where I took some courses in Astronomy and Physics, but I never completed my degree because I was under a lot of emotional stress, and I had another breakdown, and never completed my degree.

Also, when I entered college, I had to take courses in Algebra Review, and Geometry Review which were high school level courses, before I could take Trigonometry. I passed these courses with a B+ but I should have had those courses when I was in high school, but in the high school I want to, I didn't learn jack shit because the teachers didn't teach jack shit.

Then having to leave high school after some dope dealing jocks threatened my life, causing me to have an emotional and mental breakdown and spending three weeks in a psychiatric ward where I was beaten and raped.

When I can home from the nut house, I was emotionally fucked up for life.

Oh yes indeed! It must be really great to have a high paying job in sports!

But it would have been nice if I could have pursued a career. Of course, a professional Astronomer or a professional Physicist does not make as much money as a professional football player, or even a dumb-ass coach, but I really didn't care. Just being in the pursuit of knowledge would have been rewarding enough.

But thanks to the over-emphases on sports in high school, and being bullied around by those in sports, they fucked up my life for real good!!!

So, when I hear somebody bragging about his wonderful sports career and how much he makes, just for kicking a hunk of pigskin (which by the way is not Kosher) I just want to jack-smack him up both sides of the head so hard that his bells will be ringing for a week!

I would love to have had a career in science. It would have been the job of my dreams, but I was unable to attain it, because I was to mentally and emotionally fucked up, thanks to the jocks and the PE instructors who bullied me around. Thanks to sports, and their love of sports, in conjunction with their hatred of instruction and knowledge.

Yeah! Thank you sports fans for fucking with my life! Oh, and by the way, I really liked getting butt-banged in a nut-house. That was the icing on top of the cake.

Thanks a lot, sports fans!!!

NOT!!!

Now lets continue.

SportsGuy92 wrote:. . . it seemed like the point wasn't to get exercise but memorize every goddamn rule of whatever . . .

Excuse me JIMBO, but Damn is not God's last name!!!

As I have mentioned before a few time, I'm in the process of converting to Judaism.

Yes I do cuss and swear a lot, and I love let the 4-letter F-words fly about in all directions, but I will NEVER curse using God's name!

So, Mr.SportsGuy92 you get jack-smacked and your mouth washed out with soap!!!

Now let's continue . . .

SportsGuy92 wrote:

Sergey wrote:Well he said I was crazy for thinking a virtual game should reward more money than a primitive game. If he gets so mad at me for that I am sure what I said is viable.

If more people determine that a so called "primitive game" should reward more money than a virtual game, as they currently do, then what you think is crazy. You are far too ignorant about sports to write them off as being primitive games. Every sport requires strategy as much as any video or board game.

Hmmmmm! "As much strategy as any video or board game."

OK, let's see about that.

Granted, football takes some physical skill, but it's mostly grunt-work (UH! UH! UH!) and brute force, while basketball requires one to be quick on his feet.

But Strategy??? Oh! Come on now! Really???

Chess is a board game that take strategy. It requires intelligence and planning, far more than football.

As for video games, well . . . . .

I once had a video game called Star flight which I ran on a Commodore 64. Yes, it was a slow game, didn't require any good hand/eye co-ordination like most high speed video games, and the graphics sucked, but it took a lot of mental strategy and planning to play the game, and it would take days to complete.

You start out with a star ship with a Class 1 engine and an untrained crew, so to begin with, you had to explore the near by planets, collect valuable metals, come back to star base, sell your metals that you had collected, then pay for training sessions for your crew members, and upgrades on your ship, until your ship is eventually equipped with a Class 5 engine, Class 5 shields, Class 5 armor, Class 5 Lazar and Class 5 missiles.

Then you are ready to go out and explore other planetary systems among the stars, recommend planets for colonization, and contact alien races, like the Thrynn (intelligent reptilians) Veloxie (sassy insectoids) Elowan (plantlike creatures that speak in rhymes) Gazertoid (Squid-like creatures who are religious fanatics) the Spemin (rude, obnoxious, and cowardly purple blobs with seven eyes) The Mysterians (strange creatures dancing on a grid and communicating in binary code) the Minstrels (cute little bee like creatures that spoke in rhymes) and the Ulek (nobody knows what they look like, and they only speak with their weapons) and you have to obtain information from alien contacts, and when you return to star base, you sell more metals, plant and animal specimens, and alien artifacts, and you are paid for your recommendations for planets that are suitable for colonization.

But some alien artifacts you'll want to keep, like The Tesseract which enhances the efficiency of your engines, the Red Cylinder which locates the exact longitude and latitude of alien artifacts to be found on the surface of planets, The crystal Cone which you will need to get through the force field around the Crystal Planet which is responsible for causing suns to flare up and destroying living planets, and the 2 Black Eggs, the bombs you will need to destroy the Crystal Planet thus saving the galaxy from any more stars flaring up, and you need the other Black Egg for destroying the Ulek Brain World.

It was an excellent game of strategy, and it took on average, about a week to play if you were a beginner, or a couple of days to play if you were really good at it. I kept a notebook, and wrote down the information I had obtained from alien contacts, or from exploring ancient ruins.

Star Flight was created by EA Electronic Arts, and it was the strangest game I have ever played. After playing for a few hours in the evening, when I go to bed, the game actually caused me to have some rather disturbing dreams, especially after I finally discovered the truth about Endurium Crystals, which were burned in the ship's engines to go faster than the speed of light.

It turned out the Endurium Crystals were intelligent beings, and for over 4000 thousand years, we and everybody else in the galaxy had been burning these intelligent beings as fuel for our star ships. WOW! Talk about a holocaust!!! A holocaust of epic proportions on an intergalactic scale! No wonder the Crystal Planet was causing suns to flare up and destroying living planets!

These were intelligent Crystal Beings which we called Endurium, and were burning them as fuel in our star ships, so, they had created the Crystal Planet in self defense! Yeah! a 4000 year holocaust caused by our ignorance, and the ignorance of all alien beings through out the galaxy. We thought they were only pretty sparkling crystals that we can burn as fuel in our star ships to go faster then the speed of light. But we had committed mass murder of intelligent beings in a 4000 year holocaust!

We didn't know they were alive because they existed in a different time frame. A million years to us would have been like only a day to them, and they were billions of years old, so we just thought they were pretty stones. We carved them into different shapes, like spheres, cones, or cubes, or wore them as jewelry. They didn't mind that. That didn't bother them. It was only when we started burning them as fuel in star ship engines that they had to strike back.

Well, after playing that game, and finding out the truth behind Endurium Crystals, I never touched that game ever again. It was late at night when I finished the game and when I discovered the horrible truth, I actually broke down and cried, and when I went to bed, I had nightmares!

I never played that game even again!!!

It was some time after I had seen the movie, Schindler's List, about The Holocaust in which 6 millions Jews along with millions of other people were murdered in Nazi Germany, that was when I had completed the game of Star Flight, and my mind sort of made a connection between the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews, and the 4000 year holocaust in which intelligent Crystal Beings were burned alive in the engines of star ships.

Star Flight was a very slow game, and as I had said earlier, the graphics sucked, and It didn't require being quick, unless you had to fight hostile alien star ships, then you might lose the game and have to star over again. So the battles took some skill, but it was best to try to hail them, to communicate with them, to negotiate with them and get on friendly terms and to find out any useful information from them. That took a lot of strategy and thinking. And it was a good idea to have a notebook handy to write down what you had learned from them, and from information found in ancient alien and Old Empire ruins.

The Ulek was another unique race. The Ulek was known to be made up of many sharing one intelligence and one consciousness. The Ulek was all in one. They were a hostile and violent race. You encounter their ships, and they would immediately fire upon you. Sometimes they would just ignore you, but if you tried to hail them, to communicate with them, that was all that was needed to provoke them, and just one shot from them and you were done for! So, it was best to avoid them entirely. Nobody even knows what they look like.

Then I learned of two other ancient races that were extinct, the Phlagmok and the Numlox. They were wiped out 2000 years earlier by the Old Empire with the help from the Veloxie and the Thrynn. The Black Egg, a bomb, was an old Phlagmok artifact, about the size of a football, but it could blow an entire planet apart!

But my favorite part of the game is when I encountered the aliens known as the Minstrels. When you hailed them, they were more then happy to communicate, but they would not answer your questions. Instead, they would speak in rhymes, giving you only one verse of their song, then they would terminate communications and flee.

Eventually you might encounter them again later on during the course of the game, and they would give you another verse from their song, and flee again.

And and of course, after several encounters, receiving one verse with each encounter, you were able to piece their verses together for the complete song, which gave you clues about The Ancients, the Old Empire, and the history of other alien races.

THE MINSTREL SONG

Through the windless night we sail
To watch the timeless dance unfold.
Out of joy we share the tale
To any who would have it told.

Time, it seems, doesn't flow...
For some it's fast, for others slow.
In what to one race is no time at all
Another race may rise and fall.

The virus spread like burning fire...
The sea of dread rose higher and higher.
The crystal ones had to fight
By causing suns to ignite.
...self defense. It is their right.

Back when all the stars were young,
Before the Minstrel songs were sung,
When this galaxy was new
There came from far the crystal few.
Gradually they spread through space.
They were the first...the only race.

And harder still to recognize
That which lies before one's eyes.
So many races have believed
In only what was preconceived.
That which is ancient may be new...
It all depends on point of view.

From inward out the races flee
Searching for a place to hide...
Ever in a wave of war
And on the crest the strongest ride.

We are the watchers of the dance.
Many wonder at us...
But how could there not be an audience
For the greatest of all comedies?

When I played Star Flight, I never thought it was possible to get so much from a video game. This one really tugged at my emotions and nearly scared the holy bee-jeebers outta me!!!

It was THE BEST strategy game I had ever played.

BUT I SHALL NEVER PLAY IT AGAIN!!!

Yeah! After destroying The Crystal Planet and The Ulek Brain World, I felt like a Nazi!

I also had a video game version of Dungeons And Dragons and a few other games of strategy for my old Commodore 64 computer.

OK Mr.SportsGuy92, now tell me again that . . . . .

SportsGuy92 wrote:Every sport requires strategy as much as any video or board game.

YEAH RIGHT!

When ever Polite24 would ramble on about how football requires skill and strategy, I had to show him it was nothing compared to the skills needed to build a telescope or a radio controlled flying model plane.

So, Sergey knows what he's talking about.

Video games require a lot more mental skill and strategy than sports.

Oh! Try writing up a computer program for a video game, and for the video graphics.

Football is for retards!!!

SportsGuy92 wrote:

Millhouse wrote: And they can do that all they like. To each their own. Here is my problem with it.

Problem with it is harrassment and discrimination if I myself don't enjoy it, don't have any use for it, and don't wish to participate in it. Because I am human, it is assumed that I must also partake in the 'fun', whether it be some company baseball team, fantasy football league, or some other such nonsense, such as going to a sporting event. Harassment at this level is irritating enough, but many, many sports fans actually get offended at saying a resounding and most of the time polite 'no' to these activities.

If you had read my other posts, you would be able to see that while I enjoy sports, I am far from someone who treats it like a religion. I am not trying to ram my views down anybody's throat. I am neither trying to nor will be able to convert anyone on here into a sports fan. I am just trying to understand why some people view them so negatively. By "respect" referring to the following that high school sports and their players have, I meant the attention they receive from the general public (fan attendance, media coverage, etc.) This is where jock arrogance, in my opinion, usually stems from although you may have different theories or opinions.

As a pro-sports person, I'm never going to be fully able to understand the anti-sports view, just as you will never understand why people would spend money to sit and watch a game in a stadium. That doesn't mean I am incapable of understanding why you fell that way, even though I will never be able to fully empathize with your point of view.

Okay, I'm cutting through the b.s. with this, let's look at the breakdown of train of thought here...

My essential question is why are you here, and what is your motivation if you don't want to ram sports down our throats...as an anti-sports person, and based on all I've seen on this forum, I'm inclined to believe that outright, even if it is a biased belief, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, as I do everyone.

"I am neither trying to nor will be able to convert anyone on here into a sports fan. I am just trying to understand why some people view them so negatively. ... ... As a pro-sports person, I'm never going to be fully able to understand the anti-sports view, just as you will never understand why people would spend money to sit and watch a game in a stadium. That doesn't mean I am incapable of understanding why you fell that way, even though I will never be able to fully empathize with your point of view."

I laid it out for you, pretty reasonably I would think, and this contradiction was what I got. Maybe it's the truth when you say it, and I've been wrong about people before, but 'I guess I'll never be able to fully understand' is typically used by people in conversations where they simply don't want to continue making any effort to acknowledge the other arguing party's points nor to bother understanding. So why are you here? I had actually hoped we had gotten a sports fan that was going to attempt to find some middle ground, but you aren't showing me any real signs that that's what you want. You only seem to have the agenda that you want to tell all of us we're wrong.

You yourself may not be a proselytizing, religious sports fan, and I give you credit for that, but are you going to try and defend that behaviour in others who are on your side? When it comes to the sports lunatics that have come in here, 'SportsGuy', you are clearly in the minority. I highly encourage you, in fact, before posting anything else, to go back and see what people on your 'side' have said in other posts. Based on what you've said, I don't see your position, which you've laid out very clearly so far, being about anything but telling all of us why our opinions are 'wrong', and yours are 'right'.

If you do really care, please see my points above in my previous post which I have highlighted in bold, and address them. Those are the first and foremost issues that annoy many of us about sports.

Hi SportsGuy92,
You said that as a pro-sports guy you can't understand our negative attitude about sports. Well, I wouldn't expect you to, you're a sports fan with the typical small mindedness I've come to expect from those of your ilk. I love experimenting in electronics and rebuilding antique vehicles and collecting and studying WWII communications equipment among many other interests. The difference between me and you is that I don't expect anybody else to like what i like, I derive pleasure from these things. it's something that I find mentally stimulating and very challenging. I cannot understand in the least what people get out of watching sports, I grew up in a household with football games on TV because my dad, who I love dearly, loves football . He would take me over to my uncle's house to watch another "big game". I tried to watch baseball to see what all the fuss about but I found it all boring and pointless at a very young age, I still do and I get tired of people expecting me to give a shit about it, I don't. You seem like a nice fellow but you will never understand the non-sports mind because your own mind is not open enough, you have the herd mentality of the masses, you have been absorbed by the collective, you are a sports Borg.

Greencom

Did you have to quote Fat Man's entire post? No! Stop it!
-Skul

Fat Man, Star Flight sounds a lot like Spore. Spore is a game where you advance your civilization to space travel. Yes and it gets weird during the creature stage.

The opening scene has a meteorite crashing into the planet that you picked as your home world, and after it crashes you see the words "Cell Stage" and you start out in the ocean as a cell and what you eat depends on what you chose; carnivore, herbivore, and omnivore. You can find plants if you are an herbivore and you can eat tiny beings whole or you can kill beings of equal or higher size then eat them. As you grow bigger, your original food or predators grow smaller and new types of beings become your predator or prey, and you if you kill some they drop these genetics where you can add spikes on your body or other things.

After you finish the Cell Stage you get out of the water with legs and call for your species to come out with you you see several creatures that look like you. Then the "Creature Stage" begins and you can attack or ally yourself with other creatures who also live on the island you live on, and if you swim out too far into the shore you see a giant fish like thing eat you whole and fly back into the water, so don't think swimming is the best way to get around. When you encounter aggressive creatures they tend to attack you and can kill you on sight. You can also add creatures to your force who hunt and kill with you, these can be both your creatures or allied creatures, and sometimes your creatures move to a new area when you die and you hatch as an egg and there is a member of your creatures and he follows you to your new home. During the game you will encounter an alien ship that abducts some creatures which scares all the creatures that saw it.

After you finish the "Creature Stage" you begin the "Tribal Stage" where you have a leader and creatures with names and some get fish or some kill for food and others raid or ally themselves with other tribes, you can also build buildings that can give your creatures weapons such as spears, and etc. You can sometimes see ships abducting creatures and leaving. When you reach a new rank all your weaponry and buildings advance until you reach the highest rank. This was the most tedious stage in my opinion.

Now we're getting to the "Civilization Stage" where you can see your species arguing over religion, warfare, and economy and you can choose which your city will like, you see warfare is where you can make land, sea, or air vehicles and religion is where you make vehicles that make a holographic being that attempts to convert them, and economy is where you buy cities for your civilization, you see all the opposing civilizations are your species and you can give them gifts so they ally with you without warfare, religion, or economy. Once you defeat or ally with others you can proceed to the last stage in the game...

"The Space Stage" is when you and your civilization has just advanced to space craft, and you are tasked to look around your system and you always encounter a planet with dead aliens with a broken craft, and you are then tasked to to leave you system and go to the system that the map pointed out, and when you do you encounter destroyed cities and you believe these creatures were attacked and destroyed and then their security system believes you are the "Grox" and attack you forcing you to fight or leave the planet, and you go back to your planet, and you can then roam around the galaxy, you see what planet you picked is important because the Grox live in the center of the galaxy meaning you can encounter them early. When you encounter more aliens they tend to give you missions so that you increase your alliance with them, and you gain money to buy spices, weapons, interstellar travel engines, and even a engine that allows you to travel through wormholes, and this galaxy has an untold amount of races, and people can makes creatures and put them in the creatures section where they can appear in your games. You see when others make a creature it tends to go into your game. Sooner or later you can afford "planet busters" that destroy planets and if you destroy ANY planet the species close to the attack go to war with you, but the Grox love it if you destroy a planet so your reputation with them goes up. If you make an alliance with the Grox you go to war with everyone in the galaxy and all your allies break their alliance with you. Going through the wormhole at the center of the galaxy leads to you another galaxy where there is a being named "Steve" and he gives you the Staff of Life where you can terraform a planet to become habitable, and where Steve is there is also Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and even Pluto. You can make a civilization here, but once you leave you can't go back.

That's a game for you, Cell can take a few dozen minutes, Creature, Tribal, Civilization can take hours, and Space Stage can take days/weeks/months/etc.

SportsGuy92 wrote:
But what pisses me off about the people on this board is that they believe that there is some kind of link between enjoying sports and being unintelligent, arrogant, rude etc. I'm not going to lie and try to deny that there are athletes who do look down on those who aren't good at sports or just don't care (I'm not one of them). But for every jock out there who looks down on people who don't care about sports, there is the intellectual nerd who looks down on the less smart, the theater kid who looks down on people who don't appreciate musicals, the goths (and more recently emos) who bitch about how everyone else is a mindless conformist when they themselves are conforming to their own group, and so on.

First --there is a link, a correlation, a connection between people that like sports and abusive, rude people. You just can't see it because you happen to like sports. The same way an alcoholic can never see that his pals have a drinking problem.


Second --you try to justify the boorish behavior of sports fans by saying everybody does it. There are nerds who ridicule the only guy in the office that doesn't watch Star Wars? There's a gang of art critics at work that refer to the guys who don't watch the ballet, fags? In your dreams. That cowardly behavior is reserved for sports fans.

SportsGuy92 wrote:
Finally, quit whining about sports media coverage. We do not live in a fascist police state where you are forced to watch or read about sports against your will. Our economy is based on people choosing how to spend their time and money the way they want to. Don't like a restaurant showing sports on TV? Take your money and eat elsewhere. Just because some people enjoy 24/7/365 sports channels like ESPN doesn't mean you have to watch them.

True. It's free country and I do vote with my feet. And since it is a free country I will continue to do what I can to bring sanity back to TV programming. I will complain LOUDLY to my cable provider that sports are NOT news!

SportsGuy92 wrote: Finally there are certain people on this website who I find to be really ignorant and annoying.

You do? GOOD! In the immortal words of George Bush, Mission Accomplished!

SportsGuy92 wrote:I meant to post this earlier, but for some reason I wasnâ??t able to because it automatically signed me out.


Finally, about the comment I made about Fitz301 and plentyoffish.com, I can see why you didnâ??t understand it. I discovered it while looking for posts of his. Do a google search for Fitz301 and you will see what I mean. It should be the 4th result.

Fitz301 is married. To a girl. And his hobbies are not tennis and suba diving. He's into computer graphics. Someone has FRAMED him. I'll let him know so he can get that fixed.

Earl wrote:I concur with Skul. SportsGuy92's criticisms were reasonable, not abusive. Fat Man, instead of specifically acknowledging his apology to you, you continued to be confrontational by saying "it's up to us to break him of his know-it-all attitude and show him where the proverbial bear shits in the proverbial buckwheat." Sergey, you called him "shit for brains," "dumb asses like you," "you idiot," and "you dumb fuck." What names did he call you? Believe me, I don't get any pleasure pointing this out.

Ever the gentleman. I'm glad cooler heads are here to keep us in line.