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Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:13 am
by Agent 47
Earl wrote: Fat Man quite graciously gave me the "go ahead" to do so
Graciously, yes, but I would suggest reluctantly, and under duress...
Fat Man wrote:
recovering_fan wrote:ChrisOH,

I agree that "OMG" didn't come here looking to make friends. He was no angel.

However, just because somebody hits you does not give you the right to clobber him with baseball bat.

Fat Man's response was totally disproportionate.

And it reflects badly on all of us, as members of a site that condones it.

Hence my ambivalence about remaining at this site at all. Fat Man is spitting into the wind right now, and we're all down wind of him. In America, there is no one policing the Internet, except KARMA, and I'm getting some really bad karmic vibes from this place at the moment.

And I am going to propose a remedy to this little problem. I propose that moderators immediately delete all the defamatory pictures of OMGdudeWhat that Fat Man posted. As I see it, either they take those pictures down, or else they are accomplices to what Fat Man did.

(I'm not trying to get rid of Fat Man himself, just those pictures.)

GOODBYE ALL,
Recovering_Fan

PS -- On the off-chance anyone does take them down, perhaps Earl could send me an email? I'll have no other way of knowing...
Well, if one is being set upon by a gang of thugs bent on destroying you, then you pick up anything you can find to defend yourself.

But, my posting those stupid images is hardly comparable to using a baseball bat.

Well, you seem to be the only one here who is upset about the three different images I had posted.

OK everybody, here's the deal.

If the board moderators say I should take those images down, or of they edit them out of my previous forum posts, then either way, I will abide by their decision.

Okey Dokey Smokey?


http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... bbc#p22181
Fat Man wrote:
Yes, I'm a little bit upset that my three photo shop images had to be deleted.

http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... 879#p22201

HugeFanOfBadReligion -

Of course there is a place for censorship when things get to the extreme, but I just can't see how those images were anywhere near extreme enough to get cut. I just don't think they were that bad at all. They just seemed like a bit of fun.

Unnecessary censorship attacks our freedom of speech. There is a principle at stake here. Sometimes it's important to speak up regarding a principle. You never know - one day your freedom of speech might be compromised, and you would want other people to be supportive, and help out and speak up about it, wouldn't you?

There is an old quotation called "First they came..."
Wikipedia wrote: "First they cameâ?¦" is a famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892â??1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:48 am
by recovering_fan
i_like_1981 wrote:I'm probably going to get accused of "coddling" Fat Man again for saying this...
No, I'm done characterising people based on their comments at this point. I don't think of you as a coddler at all, and I don't think of Fat Man as a bully. I was new back then, alright? I've had more time to get to know people. You definitely have the courage to confront people, and Fat Man definitely has more self-restraint than I gave him credit for.
, but I really did not see how those pictures could have caused all this uproar. What is it with the picture of that ugly person that gets an ant's nest up so many people's arses? It's quite clearly a fake picture.
I didn't threaten to leave the site over the "ugly person" picture. As far as I'm aware, old Mr. Ugly is alive and well, living on his own, in some other thread. :lol: (Or did Earl ask Fat Man to delete that one as well?) Either way, as long as the recent attacks on OMG are gone, I'm content.
It doesn't represent any real person or group of people.
The images that bothered me were the ones that took OMG's real picture, and doctored it, in order to humiliate him. I do not feel comfortable involving myself with a site that exults in personally humiliating people. But the pictures are gone now. Thank God for that.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:46 am
by recovering_fan
Agent 47 wrote: HugeFanOfBadReligion -

Of course there is a place for censorship when things get to the extreme, but I just can't see how those images were anywhere near extreme enough to get cut. I just don't think they were that bad at all. They just seemed like a bit of fun.
You are entitled to your opinion on what constitutes "innocent fun", and I'm entitled to mine about abuse. I expressed mine, namely that the images were a brutal smear against OMG.

In order to make my feelings on the subject sufficiently clear, I felt it necessary to exercise my right to symbolic speech as well. I left the site as a protest against what I considered brutality towards another human being. Words can hurt people, and they can ruin people's reputations as well.

If I had remained silent, I would have felt that I was consenting to what Fat Man did. Since Fat Man never seems to listen when I verbally complain about his over the top remarks, I did not feel simply registering my dissent verbally was enough. So I walked out.

(Oh sure, I could have "screamed" at him again, and ranted again, and called him a bully again. Believe it or not, I do not enjoy doing that, especially because he isn't, generally speaking, a bully.)
Unnecessary censorship attacks our freedom of speech. There is a principle at stake here.
There are always multiple principles at stake in any controversy. One of them that I see in play at the moment is not to see the world in black and white or to frame questions as though there were only one side to them.
Sometimes it's important to speak up regarding a principle. You never know - one day your freedom of speech might be compromised, and you would want other people to be supportive, and help out and speak up about it, wouldn't you?
By attacking OMG and by punishing OMG for his refusal to submit to the will of the majority at this site, Fat Man was limiting OMG's free speech! Didn't OMG have a right to his opinions, however anathema to the people here those may have been? The issue of who may speak and with what consequences is more complicated than ideologues who scream and wail about "principles at stake" usually make it out to be.

Hell, I haven't heard so many allusions to the Nazis since the last time I watched Glenn Beck talking about the Democrats. :roll:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-m ... tourette-s

Give me a break...
RF

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:11 am
by Fat Man
recovering_fan wrote:
Agent 47 wrote: HugeFanOfBadReligion -

Of course there is a place for censorship when things get to the extreme, but I just can't see how those images were anywhere near extreme enough to get cut. I just don't think they were that bad at all. They just seemed like a bit of fun.
You are entitled to your opinion on what constitutes "innocent fun", and I'm entitled to mine about abuse. I expressed mine, namely that the images were a brutal smear against OMG.

In order to make my feelings on the subject sufficiently clear, I felt it necessary to exercise my right to symbolic speech as well. I left the site as a protest against what I considered brutality towards another human being. Words can hurt people, and they can ruin people's reputations as well.
I fail to see how those photos would actually ruin his reputation.

The photo of the ugly redneck looking thing obviously does not really exist, so anybody looking at those doctored photos would know it wasn't real, that it was just a photo-shop job.

And the photo of him with the cheese head and wearing the GAY 00 jersey, will it might have been an insult, but I fail to see how it would ruin his reputation.

Anybody could tell it's just a dumb satire, and not real.

Now, if you do a photo shop hatchet job depicting somebody having sex with a barnyard animal and making it look as real as possible, then yeah, that could destroy somebody's reputation. I would never do that. Even I have my limits!!!

But a photo of him standing in front of a beat up old trailer next to some ugly sub human creature that can't possibly exist in real life, or of him wearing a cheese head, that's not going to cost him his job if his employer were to see those doctored photos, and it's not going to cause him to get suspended from school if his teachers saw those silly images.

They would just laugh because it's obvious only a stupid joke.

Satirizing somebody is not sufficient to damage one's reputation.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:28 am
by recovering_fan
I fail to see how those photos would actually ruin his reputation.
Satirizing somebody is not sufficient to damage one's reputation.
What you've stated above are your opinions on the matter.

They are presumptious and arrogant, and they don't represent the opinion of the entire forum -- not while I'm still a member!
But a photo of him standing in front of a beat up old trailer next to some ugly sub human creature that can't possibly exist in real life, or of him wearing a cheese head, that's not going to cost him his job if his employer were to see those doctored photos, and it's not going to cause him to get suspended from school if his teachers saw those silly images.

They would just laugh because it's obvious only a stupid joke.
The person's friends would think less of him, in much the same way as some kid's friends would start to doubt that kid's worth when a gym teacher dubbed the kid a "loser." After all, "loser" is just a word, is it not?

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:38 am
by Fat Man
Here is an example of a composite photo shop job that I had created shortly after September 11,2001.

Image

Now, anybody looking at this would know it's not real.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:11 am
by recovering_fan
Satirising notorious figures is different from attacking insignificant, everyday people.

You are also setting up a straw man. Nobody was suggesting that those pictures you posted looked real. That point is therefore totally irrelevant to our argument.

-----------------------------------------------

But here's the really ridiculous thing about your behaviour at this very moment. I believe Earl said something about you "graciously" taking those pictures down? Well, I don't see anything resembling "grace." I see you whining and whining and whining about not getting your way. You haven't given up yet have you? You seem to think the fate of the world hinges on your ability to smear some college kid?

Grow up.

Or ... here's an idea ... :idea: :?:

Why don't you threaten to leave the site, because you're mad that Earl won't let you slander and smear people? Nobody wants you to leave (not even I do), but then I don't think anyone would take your threat to leave seriously, because we all know there's no way you could go ONE SINGLE DAY without posting.

Boo hoo! :cry:

I am so fed up with your infernal, ceaseless pouting.

I have tried to be civil about the images, but your petulance has finally gotten to me.

IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE... :roll:

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:14 am
by recovering_fan
HugeFanOfBadReligion,

I apologise for the way I'm helping to ruin your thread right now. :(

Sorry,
RF

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:01 am
by Fat Man
We just have a difference of opinion here.

Agent 47 liked the pictures I had posted. He missed seeing the third one, so I sent him a copy in a PM and in the topic titled:

I Propose A Compromise
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... f=1&t=4936

Agent 47 said the following . . .
Fat Man wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:That sounds like quite a good compromise, Fat Man, but the sad thing is that you would have to compromise at all.

The way I see it, you were just injecting a bit of humor around here.

It staggers me that this whole thing is even an issue.
Fat Man wrote:Photo # 3

A black & white photo of our intrepid hero OMGdudeWhat wearing the Jersey Of Shame with the 00 GAY on it and a cheese head on top of his head.
Oh I missed that one! Could you put up a link to that one or something? I'd like to see it. I find your images hilarious!
I'll send it to you in a PM, right now!!!

OK???
Then he said . . .
Agent 47 wrote:Thanks for all three of them, Fat Man. Absolute classics. I've just spent the last several minutes kacking myself laughing! Thanks for that!
So, some people liked the images I had posted, and some do not.

No matter what I do, most people might be neutral, some people will be with me, and some will be against something I say or do.

All I know is that I can't satisfy everybody, and I'm not even going to try. It's impossible to please everybody. Nobody can do it, so why should I? Eh?

Yes, I agreed to let those images be deleted.

But it doesn't mean that I have to like it.

So, am I going to have to be afraid to say anything or post any more pictures here because one person is not going to like what I have said or an image I have posted?

No, I'm not going to be intimidated by anyone, not here, or anywhere else! OK?

Right now, you're dealing with someone who refused to be intimidated, even when I was just a kid in school, I had refused to be intimidated, not only by some of the other students, but even by some of my teachers.

So yeah! Even when I was only 12 or 13 years old, I had told adults twice my size to get fucked!

Yes, I would abide by the schools rules.

But when it came to being told what I can and can not read, which books I may or may not check out of the library (of course reference books can't be checked out) I felt I had a right to check out any book I wanted, and that there should be no restrictions on what I may read, and no restrictions on my seeking knowledge.

So, when some moron tried to interfere with my acquiring knowledge, I would tell them to get fucked!

Yes, I would get my face slapped for it, but that still didn't stop me.

This country is going nuts.

I remember reading of an incident a couple of years ago, when a kid got suspended from school, just simply because he drew a picture of a gun in art class. He and his father liked to go deer hunting, so he drew a picture of himself and his dad in the forest carrying rifles, and he got suspended because his drawing had guns in it.

Yeah! This country is really going nuts!

And just who in the flying fucking Hell is this OMGdudeWhat? You would think that I had blasphemed God or something, just because I did a stupid photo shop job on his avatar!

Aw! The poor baby!!!

I don't believe that he was the least bit traumatized by seeing those stupid pictures. It's nothing compared to the trauma of my getting my head bashed against a brick wall, or getting beaten and raped, as I was when I was 17 years old.

No, I don't think that OMGdudeWhat was at all traumatized by seeing the photo shop job I did on his avatar, not unless he's some kind of wimpy weenie wuss who jumps up on a foot stool and pulls his skirt up when he sees a mouse scurrying across his kitchen floor.

Anyway . . . . .

I really don't give a flying fuck about him. He's just another over-privileged ass-hole jock.

And it gave me some great pleasure serving his bitch-ass up on a platter!

Nah! I think he'll recover from it just fine!

Like, I give a fuck!

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:32 am
by HugeFanOfBadReligion
Agent 47 wrote:HugeFanOfBadReligion -
Of course there is a place for censorship when things get to the extreme, but I just can't see how those images were anywhere near extreme enough to get cut. I just don't think they were that bad at all. They just seemed like a bit of fun.

Unnecessary censorship attacks our freedom of speech. There is a principle at stake here. Sometimes it's important to speak up regarding a principle. You never know - one day your freedom of speech might be compromised, and you would want other people to be supportive, and help out and speak up about it, wouldn't you?
A "bit of fun". I'm sure almost everybody who ever victimized you or me or anybody else on this site through bullying in school, they viewed it as "a bit of fun". Also, that's the kind of tactics they use at 4chan, and I really don't want this site turning into anything like that. If you disagree with someone on this site, you should debate with them using logic, and you shouldn't need to use immature tactics of defaming a person by manipulating an image of them. If anything, that shows weakness in the debate as the person who uses that tactic can't use logic to argue any more.
Agent 47 wrote:There is an old quotation called "First they came..."
For fuck's sake, nobody is coming for you. Skul and Earl aren't going to censor your posts because it doesn't fit with your ideology and I'm tired of these comparisons to the Nazis because nobody here is commiting genocide.
recovering_fan wrote:HugeFanOfBadReligion,

I apologise for the way I'm helping to ruin your thread right now. :(

Sorry,
RF
Don't worry about it, I'm still 100% on your side and I'll likely have more to say on this subject when I get the time.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:08 pm
by Agent 47
HugeFanOfBadReligion - in the same way that you seem to think that a Nazi reference is over the top in this situation, so I think that linking a funny photo-shopped image to schoolyard bullying is.

I mean, come on, do you really think that guy cares about those images?

HugeFan, and recovering_fan - OMGdudeWhat clearly told us all how fantastic he is, so I really don't think we need to waste any time worrying about his self esteem issues.

And if you want another dimension to this whole situation, recovering_fan, then how about this - all this talk of "brutally smearing him", apart from the fact that that is way over the top language for what actually happened here, is based on the flimsy foundation of assuming that that photo is an actual real photo of him.

We don't know that.

For all we know, that could be a screenshot from some long forgotten B grade movie, or some random picture that he ripped from Facebook.

The guy came in here essentially to be hostile, so I actually seriously doubt that he would put his real picture here. If you went onto a website with the full intention of being hostile, would you put your real picture there?

I'd say it's most likely that that avatar is not even him. And so therefore there was no "crime" committed here against "him."

And so therefore Fat Man has been punished for a "crime" that probably didn't even happen.

HugeFan, and recovering_fan, I trust you's mean well, but chill out a bit, and enjoy Fat Man's humor for what it is. You're missing out on some good laughs if you don't.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:55 pm
by ChrisOH
Agent 47 wrote:
And if you want another dimension to this whole situation, recovering_fan, then how about this - all this talk of "brutally smearing him", apart from the fact that that is way over the top language for what actually happened here, is based on the flimsy foundation of assuming that that photo is an actual real photo of him.

We don't know that.

For all we know, that could be a screenshot from some long forgotten B grade movie, or some random picture that he ripped from Facebook.
BINGO!

Agent47, thank you for saying what I was just about to sit down and type about this!

Unless his real name is OMGDudeWhat, his reputation can't be defamed, since there's no real identity linking him to the picture!

In any event, not only was he not traumatized, he actually condoned it! To quote:

OMGdudeWhat wrote:
. . . overall you seem pretty hung up on stupid shit like getting made fun of in the 5th grade, learn to live on? everyone is the center of a joke once in a while [emphasis mine]

So apparently he's OK with being made sport of (pun intended).

So, no, I think we can safely stop worrying about OMGDudeWhat's "hurt feelings" and "reputation." Just another troll, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:25 pm
by ChrisOH
Earl wrote:The reason I banned DrMenJele is because he was mocking ChrisOH's trouble finding a job when the economy in this country is not doing so well. I thought that was absolutely despicable. I'm more likely to lose my temper when one of my friends is personally attacked than I am when I'm the target of abuse. I didn't think anyone would mind when I banned that jerk. But I now see that I was mistaken, and for that I apologize. I certainly understand i_like_1981's desire to take pot shots at jerks like this guy. So, from now on, I won't be quick to ban trolls and other abusive posters, unless I'm requested to do so by one or more of my fellow members. Of course, I guess that Skul might choose to ban someone like that without any action on my part. I have no doubt, i_like_1981, that we will get another jerk poster eventually. Just be patient, my friend. :wink:

Anyway, everyone has my apologies for this latest controversy. I shall try to do better in the future.

No apologies necessary, Earl! :)

Just to clarify things, I didn't ask for the ban on DrMenJele, but I didn't contest it either. (Although, Earl, I appreciate your willingness to support me, and am glad you consider me a friend. I'm gained quite a bit of respect for you since being on this site.) Personally, I could've debated DrMenJele more, but that'd be like shooting the proverbial fish in the barrel! :lol: I was willing to abide by whatever decision the moderators came up with in the matter.

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:46 pm
by i_like_1981
I personally think this response to Fat Man's pictures has been somewhat of an overreaction, given some of the other things he has posted on this site. No, compared to some of the other stuff I've seen, this is positively light-hearted. I don't hate OMGDudeWhat or enjoy seeing our opponents being humiliated needlessly, but at the same time, I really don't get what he had to gain from posting his vital statistics as his signature. That seemed like an attempt to claim some sort of superiority over us; trying to make some of our members think "Dear Lord, I wish my vital statistics were anywhere near as good as this guy's!" That made me suspicious, and his choice of username as well seemed to imply that we're some sort of freak group whose discovery would warrant such a flabbergasted exclamation from certain people. I'd have preferred it if he'd just called himself "athlete" or something like that, not an exclamatory statement that would insinuate that we're some kind of weirdos. Plus, I personally would never use my personal photograph as an avatar in a forum. That's an ingredient for trouble, especially if you're going onto a forum with an opposing opinion in a hope to claim some form of high ground over the beliefs of the members there. Basically, if OMGDudeWhat is the mature, well-built athlete he says he is, none of this should really bother him in the slightest. Provocations on an internet forum by means of formulaic insults and defamatory adaptations of images just don't compare to real-life bullying and torment, in my opinion. So I'm with Agent 47 and ChrisOH on this particular issue.

Best regards,
i_like_1981

Re: Introductions

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:21 pm
by Fat Man
OK everybody:

A compromise has been reached.

In my topic titled I Propose A Compromise
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... f=1&t=4936

Earl has said the following . . .
Earl wrote:Your proposed compromise is an excellent idea! :) This way, you will still be able to post images while those who might object to them will still be able to read the thread in question without having to look at them. I approve of this compromise, and I have no problem with it whatsoever. You deserve to be commended for being flexible. You're obviously concerned about the well-being of this forum. Again, your flexibility is most helpful and shows that you have a good attitude concerning this latest controversy. *thumbs up* If you're willing to go to the trouble, you have my permission to edit your own posts and replace each occurrence of "Edit: [image deleted]" with a link to the deleted image. Incidentally, upon reflection I must say that the cheese and jersey shot is completely harmless, as well as amusing. (As most of us know, fans of a certain professional football team in the United States call themselves cheeseheads.)
Thank you very much, Earl!!!

So, I went back and re-edited my previous posts and instead of posting the images themselves, I'm now allowed to post a direct link to the images instead for anybody who wishes to see my latest creations, and anybody who might be offended by said images may choose NOT to click on the links.

So, we all now have a choice in the matter.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

That's what we should be about!

And so, in the meantime, for your viewing pleasure . . . . .

In the first photo, I had sent out my undercover elves to search the premises of our intrepid hero AMGdudeWhat and they sent these photos back to me.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u25/ ... Couple.jpg
Here we see OMGdudeWhat and his high school sweetheart.

The next one is a photo shot by my undercover elves. They took this photo of our favorite couple while they were standing in front of their luxury home, their little love nest out in the forest.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u25/ ... ouple2.jpg
Aw! Now don't they make a cute couple! Ain't they sweet!

And finally, my undercover elves had abducted our intrepid hero, AMGdudeWhat and had him fitted by the tailor (another one of my undercover agents) for the Jersey Of Shame, along with the complementary cheese head. Then he was later released and he doesn't remember a thing.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u25/ ... ayBoy2.jpg
This is what he might be wearing soon, pending the decisions of our board moderators.

Oh, and by the way, a little reminder . . .
[b][color=#FF00FF]OMGdudeWhat[/color][/b] wrote:i actually laughed at this. not the picture though, you seem obsessed with me... do you think im hot?

also its pretty funny that you seem to think im poor.
No, I just think he's trailer trash!

And no, I don't think he's hot. What does he think I am? A three dollar bill? NO FUCKING WAY!!!

and then he goes on say . . .
[b][color=#FF00FF]OMGdudeWhat[/color][/b] wrote:all sports, education and whatever else topics aside, my family is pretty wealthy.
Now I understand. He was allowed to excel at academics for two reasons.

1.) Because he's a jock and was good at sports.

2.) Because he comes from a rich family.

Yeah! Now I get it.

When I was living up north in Minnesota, my parents were factory workers. My mother once lived in Moline Illinois where she worked in a factory that made those deep sea diving suits with the big metal helmets, the rubber suits and the boots. Then her family moved to Milwaukee Wisconsin and she worked in a factory where they did electroplating of household appliances and utensils.

My father, before he was married to my mother, he was in the Merchant Marines and he worked on those big ships one sees in Lake Superior, the ships that were carrying iron ore.

Then when he was married to my mother, both he in my mother worked side by side at the wood conversion plant in Cloquet Minnesota where they made clothes pins and Blue Diamond Matches and other wood and paper products.

After my father died, and my mother was re-married, my stepfather worked in the steel mill in Duluth Minnesota.

So, I guess because my parents were factory workers, then when I was going to school up north, I guess I should have been predestined to be a factory worker myself.

But my mother had hoped that I would have a better future. She taught me how to read and write before I started school so that by the time I was only in the 3rd grade, I was already reading at the adult level. And although we were a poor family, I actually thought we were rich because we had a house full of books.

But along with my having a crippled up left knee, and being lousy at sports, I was not allowed to study science in school, but rather, learn just enough math to balance a checkbook and pay my taxes on time.

Why?

Because my parents were factory workers, I should have been destined to become a factory worker myself. Forget about trying to graduate, then go on to college, and get a degree in science. Oh no! Forget about that!!!

Why?

Because America is NOT a Democracy.

We are still living under the medieval feudal system. Whatever your parents were, that is what you'll become.

Except for one tiny little problem . . .

Most American manufacturing jobs are now being outsourced overseas, so instead of working in a factory, I should have been destined to bag groceries and scrub toilets for the rest of my life! Eh?

Is that it?

Yeah! I guess so!

That's why I got my head bashed against the corner of a brick wall. That is why I was continuously harassed and beaten, to the point where I eventually had an emotional and mental breakdown, and spent three weeks in a mental hospital where I was beaten some more, and one night raped by an older man.

It was all part of the plan, don't you all see?

That's how we get our grocery baggers and our toilet scrubbers.

We take some bright young kid who has an IQ of 150, but we really don't want to educate him, because it costs too much to get equipment for Chemistry, physics, or biology labs in our schools, it's much cheaper to put up new basketball hoops or buy new football helmets than it is to educate, so we force them into sports instead, and if they can't do sports, then we reject them and throw them away, or lock them up somewhere for a few weeks to get beaten and raped.

Hell, we don't need to educate our children, because we can always import well educated nerds and techno-geeks from overseas to keep our wheels turning. Let the other countries foot the bill for educating their young people, then we let them come here to keep our electricity running and our water flowing, and we can also outsource factory jobs overseas.

So now, our kids in high school only have two options.

Become an athlete, and keep us entertained so we can kick back on Sunday afternoons and watch you chasing balls, then we get drunk, and beat up on our wives and rape our daughters, and screw the pooch when our favorite team loses the big game of the season.

Or the second option, if you're no good at sports, then you get to bag groceries and scrub toilets for the rest of your life.

Gee! Why can't we just educate our kids so that when they grow up they can keep the wheels turning instead of importing techno-geeks from overseas? Eh?

Can't we grow our own anymore?

Yeah, when some jerk like OMGdudeWhat comes in here and brags about coming from a rich family, I just have to wonder how his family got rich!

No! I'm not going to say it, and be subject to another 24 hour ban. I'll just leave it up to your imagination.

So, for the very first time in my life, I'll keep my big fat mouth shut! OK?

At least about that! OK?

But I will say this . . . When someone is a bully in school, it does reflect badly on his parents and on his upbringing, and one dose have to wonder if his parents were negligent when it came to teaching the difference between right and wrong.

But then, I'll also concede, that sometimes a young person grows up to be an arrogant twat anyway despite the parents best efforts to teach the difference between right and wrong.

Well, anyway . . . . .

Thanks to our recent compromise, Democracy and free speech as been restored to our forum again.

Thank you Earl. :D :D :D

OK, I usually leave home at 12:00 noon to go out to do my shopping, but I had to type this up first before going out.

So . . . . .

Catch ya Gators later!