International I Hate Sports Club

blackdog4444 wrote:Since you [Ray, Skul, etc. I can't remember everyone's name] are the administrators of this forum, can't you personally REMOVE detroitsportsfan?

We could... but he's got an almost overwhelming charisma about him that makes us keep him here.

I agree with him -- why only fifty grand a year? They kick a ball, damn it! You hear me? They kick a ball! They must be paid ten trillion an hour for advancing society in this way!

Skul wrote:

blackdog4444 wrote:Since you [Ray, Skul, etc. I can't remember everyone's name] are the administrators of this forum, can't you personally REMOVE detroitsportsfan?

We could... but he's got an almost overwhelming charisma about him that makes us keep him here.

I agree with him -- why only fifty grand a year? They kick a ball, damn it! You hear me? They kick a ball! They must be paid ten trillion an hour for advancing society in this way!

I was being pretty generous with the 50,000/year, too, I think.

Meat packers and cutters work harder than that, but don't get paid even 30,000 a year. How do I know, you ask? Simple - my mother worked at a slaughterhouse for almost a year.

blackdog4444 wrote:Meat packers and cutters work harder than that, but don't get paid even 30,000 a year. How do I know, you ask? Simple - my mother worked at a slaughterhouse for almost a year.

And I think that is the flaw in their thinking right there. They seem to think that athletes should be paid based on the amount of money that they can make for other people, and not based on the work itself, and I disagree. And I don't even think the amount of money the sports bring in is do to the athletes themselves at all. And wouldn't sports fans be happy if athletes made a lot less? It would lower the price of the tickets dramatically and the price of all the other worthless crap they buy.
And a meat packer/cutter is a great example of somebody that should make more than an athlete. It is difficult, messy and potentially dangerous work and the pay should reflect that.

Also, football is "fun". Meat packing is cold, painful work- not to mention boring. I would dare a football player work in meat packing for a day! I do agree that it is dangerous work because of the machines. I don't understand why such important jobs have such low pay [other than doctors and those other professions]. Without the meat packer, you have no meat to eat. Without a football player, sports lovers just have a tame day - not harrassing anyone about the weekend's game.

I agree that people who work hard should be paid more. My wife works her butt off (in a small deli/snack bar) and almost always has to work overtime without pay and she makes less than half of what I make. It always struck me as ironic that the harder we work, the less we get paid while people who don't do hardly anything make MILLIONS!

Ray wrote:I agree that people who work hard should be paid more. My wife works her butt off (in a small deli/snack bar) and almost always has to work overtime without pay and she makes less than half of what I make. It always struck me as ironic that the harder we work, the less we get paid while people who don't do hardly anything make MILLIONS!

I think similar adjustments should be made to the movie and music industries as well. But that's all art (for the most part) and serves to enhance society and culture, so it doesn't annoy me as much as sports.

Also, nobody demands that you have to like movies and/or music, or even particular types of movies/music.

Ray wrote:I agree that people who work hard should be paid more. My wife works her butt off (in a small deli/snack bar) and almost always has to work overtime without pay and she makes less than half of what I make. It always struck me as ironic that the harder we work, the less we get paid while people who don't do hardly anything make MILLIONS!

Indeed. Another example of this is automotive mechanics being paid so poorly in Iowa and other states. The pay in the 90th percentile on average here for that profession is about $10.00 an hour - less than what a meat packer gets paid, and certainly less than what dumb-struck, steroid munching football players get paid. They should be lucky that no one has decided to put popcorn in their limosine's engine.

Just a side comment...
Wow, Ray! You're actually online when I am!! I'm amazed, especially for it being early in the morning [1.24 am for me].

Skul wrote:Also, nobody demands that you have to like movies and/or music, or even particular types of movies/music.

yeah! can you imagine if the same insanity were applied to the arts??

"What?? You don't watch every episode of Days of Our Lives and compare notes afterwards??? You're a FAG!!"

"How 'bout them Cats?! What? You didn't go see Cats, the Musical?! What are you? Latent?!"

blackdog4444 wrote:Just a side comment...
Wow, Ray! You're actually online when I am!! I'm amazed, especially for it being early in the morning [1.24 am for me].

hey! what's up? yeah, I couldn't sleep... what about you?

blackdog4444 wrote:

Ray wrote:I agree that people who work hard should be paid more. My wife works her butt off (in a small deli/snack bar) and almost always has to work overtime without pay and she makes less than half of what I make. It always struck me as ironic that the harder we work, the less we get paid while people who don't do hardly anything make MILLIONS!

Indeed. Another example of this is automotive mechanics being paid so poorly in Iowa and other states. The pay in the 90th percentile on average here for that profession is about $10.00 an hour - less than what a meat packer gets paid, and certainly less than what dumb-struck, steroid munching football players get paid. They should be lucky that no one has decided to put popcorn in their limosine's engine.

that's surprising --I would have thought that auto mechanics were making a killing! I know everytime I have to take my car in, when I leave I feel like I've been bent over their desk and robbed! oh--this kind of unrelated but about a year ago I found this thing that has saved me a lot of money in car repairs. You might already know about it but in case you don't..

It's an OBD2 code reader --a meter that plugs into your car's dashboard and reads the codes stored in your car's computer. It's the same device used by car dealerships and garages to analyze why your check engine light is on. They only cost about $100 and you can use them on any car --they're universal. You can also use them to turn off the check engine light. I did that for a friend who's mom's car had some kind of ventilation hiccup. The dealership told her she would have to buy a new gas cap to make the light turn off.

I had been taking my car in once a year for a check engine light and running rough -and it cost me about $800 each time! But since I got the code reader, I've diagnosed my own problems and each time it's turned out to be a bad/fouled spark plug in my number 3 cylinder. Replacing the spark plug (myself) fixed the problem for less than $5! I strongly suspect that that's all the garage has been doing every year.

Ray wrote:

blackdog4444 wrote:Just a side comment...
Wow, Ray! You're actually online when I am!! I'm amazed, especially for it being early in the morning [1.24 am for me].

hey! what's up? yeah, I couldn't sleep... what about you?

Yea, I can't sleep either...
Anywho.. That's quite interesting! Though I'd find it better and more rewarding to find the problems all by myself, only using diagnostic equipment when it's ABSOLUTELY needed. As what Les Stroud says "do not totally rely on technology or you will become careless and be let down".

Detroit sports fan, the way I see sports in those situations-is mostly as a kind of cough syrup. They don't really get rid of the problems, they just relieve the symptoms temporarily (ie grief). There were probably more productive ways to tackle the problem head on (I wanted to enlist in the military after 9-11, but I was only 11 then, way too young and now since I've become atheistic death is a bit of a deterrent from me joining the military) but I guess enjoying a game to take your mind off a problem for a while is okay just as long as you get back to it. But you make it sound as if sports is some kind of an antibiotic to the problems, which I don't really see it as. Personally though I didn't take a strong interest in sports after 9-11, and I don't really think you're going to get anywhere promoting sports as a kind of cure all to people who really hate them, since even I see that as quackery.