Athletes doing good

[Skul]

If I weren't a teetotaler, I'd be saying, "Come on, guys. Let's forget it now and go have us a beer."

But Earl, he asked for this beat down! He had it coming!

Oh, all right -maybe you're right.

WHAT ABOUT ME?! I'm only 14!!

You can have a Coke. Or a 7-Up. Or something.

...Orange juice, perhaps?

[Polite24]

Yeah, you are absolutely right. I was reading a story how a high school band student had beat up a bunch of kids and basically terrorized the school. Oh and all the stories you hear about the chess club are true.

Think again, i know for you, it hurts.

The Columbine kids weren't athletes. In fact, they were pretty hardcore gamers.

[rotten]

Yeah and they were tortured by the jocks at school. That was retaliation caused by aggressive school sports. Still show me some stories where all the other hobbies inspire bullies like you say.

[Ray]

Yeah, you are absolutely right. I was reading a story how a high school band student had beat up a bunch of kids and basically terrorized the school. Oh and all the stories you hear about the chess club are true.

Think again, i know for you, it hurts.

The Columbine kids weren't athletes. In fact, they were pretty hardcore gamers.

Like Rotten said, they were teenage victims of bullying.

Bullying was rampant and unchecked. For instance, a father told Post reporters about two athletes mercilessly bullying his son, a Jew, in gym class. They sang songs about Hitler, pinned the youngster to the ground, did "body twisters" on him until he was black-and- blue, and even threatened to set him on fire. The father reported the bullying to the gym teacher, but it continued. When the father took his complaint to the guidance counselor, he said, he was told, "This stuff can happen." The outraged father had to complain to the school board to get relief for his son.

Athletes convicted of crimes were neither suspended from games nor expelled from school. The homecoming king, a star football player, was on parole for burglary yet still permitted to play. Columbine's state wrestling champ was allowed to compete despite being on court-ordered probation, and school officials did nothing when he regularly parked his $100,000 Hummer all day in a fifteen-minute parking space.

Sexual harassment by athletes was common and ignored. For example, when a girl complained to her teacher that a football player was making lewd comments about her breasts in class, the teacher, also a football and wrestling coach, suggested she change her seat. When an athlete loudly made similar comments at a Columbine wrestling match, the girl complained to the coach. He suggested she move to the other side of the gym. Finally, the girl complained to a woman working at a concession stand, who called police. The next day a school administrator tried to per suade the girl's mother to drop the charges, telling her that press ing them would prevent the boy from playing football. When the youngster was found guilty, he still was permitted to play.

http://www.newfoundations.com/Clabaugh/ ... mbine.html

[Polite24]

That stuff would all be horrible for kids to do to other kids and the special treatment of athletes would be unfair, but I've also read/heard that the two kids weren't the high school castoffs that the media led you to believe.

[rotten]

Yeah, some people like to believe that because they had a group of friends, they weren't castoffs. And since they wern't castoffs they wouldn't be bullied. Sounds like some BS you would come up with. I had friends and that never stopped the jockos from bullying my friends and I.
Nonetheless, I tend to believe the source not the media nor the school trying to defend the fact that they helped create a monster. I met Brooks Brown (Erik and Dylans best friend) at a speaking engagement he had, who said that they were tortured constantly by the jocks, so sorry, wrong again.

Still, you haven't shown me this proof of the chess club having bad people in it.

hmmmm

[Polite24]

I can't find anything on any chess club members.

Chess club members are probably less likely to be the types of people to get in trouble, but also consider that chess isn't big and they also have much less people. If a person gets in trouble it's also unlikely to be reported that they were also in the chess club.

If Erik and Dylan were bullied, that's a sad situation. However, it doesn't make what they did right. You guys are almost defending it.

[Fat Man]

I can't find anything on any chess club members.

Chess club members are probably less likely to be the types of people to get in trouble, but also consider that chess isn't big and they also have much less people. If a person gets in trouble it's also unlikely to be reported that they were also in the chess club.

If Erik and Dylan were bullied, that's a sad situation. However, it doesn't make what they did right. You guys are almost defending it.

We're not defending what they did.

We're only saying that we understand what they did and the reasons that led up to if.

[Earl]

If I weren't a teetotaler, I'd be saying, "Come on, guys. Let's forget it now and go have us a beer."

But Earl, he asked for this beat down! He had it coming!

Oh, all right -maybe you're right.

WHAT ABOUT ME?! I'm only 14!!

Oops! I done a boo-boo!

[rotten]

I can't find anything on any chess club members.

Chess club members are probably less likely to be the types of people to get in trouble, but also consider that chess isn't big and they also have much less people. If a person gets in trouble it's also unlikely to be reported that they were also in the chess club.

The point is, there's tons of good and bad people no matter what occupation/hobby they are into.

Allrighty then.

Here's my point. Sports teach aggressive physical behavior on and off court. You must fight, push and shove your way to get what you want. Chess and band and many other hobbies do not teach that.
The reason they do mention when they are sports players, is because that is a defense, the same as being a celebrity and that will lessen the trouble they are in. I've seen it with my own eyes. We did repair work on a school where one of the star athletes drunk drove his underaged ass into one of the school buildings. The kid also had no money and no insurance. So the school claimed something else had happened and got their insurance to pay for it. But as the school superintendent told us "he is a real good kid." Blinded by sports. Yup, I'm glad sports keep "good" kids like that in school.

If Erik and Dylan were bullied, that's a sad situation. However, it doesn't make what they did right. You guys are almost defending it.

I like how you pretend they may not have been bullied. Teachers, parents and other students have come out and talked about the things they have seen and experienced there. Get your head out of the sand. These kids would have not have done this horrendous thing had they not been bullied. They were not hell bent on getting revenge for nothing. Do you know, before they started shooting in the cafeteria what they told the other students to do? They told all the jocks to stand up. Yeah, they were supposed to be the first to go.

It's like this, you come home and beat your dog every night, and the dog runs off and hides under the bed. One night though, you and your family come home, and the dog bites you and you children. I suppose you would blame the dog, but a sane person would see the true cause here. We, like the dog, still have animal survival instincts in us. You can only torture an animal so long before it has to let out it's aggression and retaliates.

By no means am I saying that what Erik and Dylan did was right. They defiantly over-reacted to say the least. What I am saying, is what they did would not have happened if bullying had been checked and the sports worship there had not been part of the norm.

[Polite24]

You bring up a lot of good points.

I would still contend that popular/non-popular would exist without sports, as would bullying. Teenage kids are immature and mean. Very little to do with sports IMO.

[Fat Man]

You bring up a lot of good points.

I would still contend that popular/non-popular would exist without sports, as would bullying. Teenage kids are immature and mean. Very little to do with sports IMO.

Well, I have never heard of members of a Chess Club bullying other students around, or members of an Art Club or a Drama Club bullying the other students around.

I have never heard of Video Game fans bullying up on people. Yes, I have known some people into video games where that is all they want to talk about and it does get tedious at times, but I have never heard of anybody getting beaten up on by fans of video games.

That sort of bullying comes mainly from the sports fans and the jocks!

It must be because the excessive testosterone fumes eats holes in their brains!

So, once again . . . . .

[Polite24]

Those people usually aren't the popular people.

The biggest bullies I knew were non athletes.

[Fat Man]

Those people usually aren't the popular people.

The biggest bullies I knew were non athletes.

Oh, you mean popular people in the cliques.

Yes, they can be snobs and are known for dishing out verbal abuse or insults. They can be a real pain in the ass.

But they don't go around throwing other students down flights of stars or through plate-glass windows, or throwing beer bottles from speeding cars, or running down the other kids on bicycles and knocking them off the road with their cars.

It's mostly the jocks who do that sort of thing!

So, pack that in your Gucci bag and hit the road Jack!

[Polite24]

I've never heard of any of that happening.

You throw out some pretty serious accusations against people you've never met.